Ruin a “Fatty Cisco Job” with 1 Tweet
March 17, 2009
112 comments
Cisco Fatty
Witness someone ruin a “Fatty Cisco Job” with a single post on Twitter, and become an overnight Internet sensation.
A potential Cisco applicant tweeted this earlier today:
Cisco just offered me a job! Now I have to weigh the utility of a fatty paycheck against the daily commute to San Jose and hating the work.
Tim Levad at Cisco saw the Tweet, and tweeted back:
Who is the hiring manager. I’m sure they would love to know that you will hate the work. We here at Cisco are versed in the web.
This went viral overnight and is becoming a very hot Trend.
Moral of the story?
Cisco Fatty…
How to ruin your new job with twitter? Just tweet about how you’ll be “hating the work” at Cisco, only to get outted by a Cisco Employee….
pretty sad how everyone blames the overly honest person for the fact one cannot be honest in this society. most people do not like their jobs and most people who say otherwise are lying for the same reason people think this person should have — to cover their asses. which is pretty pathetic. i have a lot more respect for naive honest people who share too much than cynical dishonest people who like to blame the victim for being honest and naive.
That’s not the person’s Flickr stream. That’s some random person’s Flickr stream with a picture which was used on a blog post.
“The CF quickly set their account private, but the Tweets are all Public for the worLd to enjoy.”
fixed it.
This is Business 2.0 people. Learn or burn, like she did. Don’t put pictures of you doing stupid things on Facebook or other places where potential employers will see it. I have no sympathy for her Darwinism. She was naive and arrogant. Extra points for the irony of it being Cisco
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olin/2504889961/sizes/o/
Cisco Fatty is fuckable.
Ouch! Just goes to show, you never know who’s listening!
Here’s another photo and info for Connor:
http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/people/students/connorriley
Does not enjoying the work make her somehow unable to do the work?
Just because she doesn’t like it there does not imply that she would be bad at the work. personally, I think this just makes Cisco’s hiring managers look bad.
[...] Media, Technology — Tags: Cisco, mistakes, Twitter — davidkirkpatrick @ 4:29 pm The tweet that costs you a job. [...]
This Tim Levand character sounds rather douche-y. What’s it to him if “theconnor” had trepidations about taking the job? Everyone’s supposed to be delirious with joy at the prospects of a desk job?
raped
lollercaust.
>Just because she doesn’t like it there does not imply that she would
>be bad at the work. personally, I think this just makes Cisco’s
>hiring managers look bad.
If someone likes the job though, they are more likely to do a better
job too be more productive etc. Under the current market circumstances
you can’t blame the cisco hiring managers – they won’t look bad at all
IMO. There are many people out there hungry for a job and they would
even like it. Lesson learned for her – she got pwned and hopefully
she learned her lesson. Perhaps now she will appreciate and love her
next job more
I’d like to hear her side of the story. Too bad she took her site down, with all the traffic/attention she would be set for life with link juice, like that kid who made a million dollars selling pixel ads.
It’s unfortunate that not only is she likely to lose her job offer – but because of this website and because you provided the details of her real name and photo it will probably cost her alot more. Who created this website by the way? (no contact info) Are you making some nice $cha-ching from all the google ads on the page? You must enjoy profiting from others mistakes…
lol
Wtf are all these people standing up for conner? did her boyfriend come on here and post a bunch of stuff under random names?
If you’re in a position to hire someone, and you had two equal candidates, would you pick:
A) the one that publicly said he hates your company, or
B) the one who didn’t say that
seems like a very clear choice to me.
What the hell is Cisco doing offering this gal a job when they announced 8,000 layoffs?!?
yeah, because we’re all psyched about a fucking desk job.
this is funny and all, but just because tim levad loves what he does there doesnt mean the janitor cleaning his toilets doesnt wake up in the morning and say “man i fucking hate my job” . . . same goes for the analytics or sales person who has to sit in a cubicle there next to your snitch ass.
Why is this surprising to anyone? This happens all the time.
Check out this opinion, and what the writer uncovered. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41777/114/
I think it is important to note that the actions of people on the web were pretty horrible, and borderlined on harassment. Additionally, not many people are addressing the unprofessional manner in which the Cisco employee conducted himself.
[...] Nothing quite says, “I’m only going to do just as much as I need to” like a default-skinned Twitter. Take some time, download GIMP if you don’t have access to Photoshop, and make yourself a good background. Then skin the hell out of Twitter. Things to include: the URL to your blog, what you do, what you’re good at, where you’re located (not exact), and -of course- a picture of yourself, even if it’s just the icon you use. And if you’re not using Twitter, what the hell is wrong with you? (For the record, Millennials tend to use Twitter less than any other generation – I attribute this to the “Facebook sandbox”.) Just be careful what you say: don’t tweet yourself out of a job! [...]
[...] about it in a somewhat negative fashion, ONLY to have the hiring manager read that tweet. Link Now everytime a potential employer Googles her name, this event is going to show [...]
I understand the tweets are in the public domain and that they already screwed up, but this person seems well verse in cleaning up after themselves. Even the google cache of the site is gone!
You know, that’s a very respectable school – founded by The Olin Foundation to try new ways of teaching engineering, the kids all get a full tuition scholarship, so it’s _very_ competitive. Odds are that she’s very high caliber talent. The Cisco people should probably be a little less happy about the fact that they only offered her a job that she thought she would hate. Most likely result: Juniper or some similar company sees this, grabs her, and gets a really good employee.
Actually she didn’t clean it up very well, all her pages can still be accessed through the cache, that link is just broken.
Do a google search for the following, then hit the cache link
inurl:’www.theconnor.net’
Of course it was a really stupid thing for this person to Tweet.
At first I thought this website was great because it is a good lesson for us all to learn from. But then it kind of made me sad, because you people are taking the time to search more about this person you don’t even know, and further sabotage her life and career prospects. If you hadn’t published that info about her cached website, sure, other people could have found it on their own; but you’re just making it so much easier to tarnish her name that it seems malicious.
You know something? The Cisco fanboy who responded to her on twitter just makes the company look like a bunch of stalinists far to busy enforcing the “happy happy corporate thought or else” policy rather than… I don’t know… maybe actually getting on with work? And if it was a Cisco employee WTF is he/she doing monitoring twitter like a hawk? They’re wasting company time ad by virtue of that company money let alone showing the company in a bad light; all of which should mean security appearing next to you and escorting you from the building, your possesions might be shipped back to you… probably not.
Who cares if she hates the job, really, who? Can she do it? Will she do it? Those are the only two things which the hiring manager should give a rats ass about. Not if she actually LIKES the idea of a long commute, has any oddities in her personal life or gets off on squirel porn. Companies love to poke their noses in to peoples twitter feeds, blogs, flickr and pretty much anything to with their social and personal lives. Oddly enough I’ve seen plenty of corporate spuds get REALLY nasty when the same tactics are deployed against THEM.
>This person seems well verse in cleaning up after
>themselves. Even the google cache of the site is gone!
Yes, and they managed to very quickly put up a reconstructed blog at the original address.
She has an amazing resume.
At the very least, it shows her lack of comprehension about how a commercial business is run. When selected to be a representative of a high profile company, you don’t publicly announce your hatred. As a “partner” you are expected to put the company’s and your best foot forward to grow the business.
Grousing about your job to the world might be fine for wrench monkeys and fry cooks, but in the upper paying jobs you are chosen to do the work AND represent the company.
Her lack of understanding about these basics (public settings on her twitter account, running her mouth off in an inappropriate venue, etc.) reflects poorly on how she might later deal with confidential clients and projects.
Hello,
Amazing! Not clear for me, how offen you updating your ciscofatty.com.
Have a nice day
Bodyc
[...] seguir la historia en Ciscofatty.com… aunque no sé si Timmy estaba libre de culpa como para tirar la primera piedra (ver algunos [...]
LMAO. Only in US. Americans are funny.
I think this part of the TB article sums it up very well. Cisco IS a professional organization and attitude along with aptitude is part of what makes it the company it is today. Like it or not.
“In this instance, and in our economy, I can understand the anger felt by many over theconnor’s Tweet. She was lucky enough to land a job when so many are still waiting in line to be hired. The market is competitive, and we must all be grateful that we’re able to work. That Tweet regarding a job offer which had just been extended to her was disrespectful. Additionally, it showed the individual who posted it lacks respect for the company.
When you work for a company, or you are hired, that company has done so because they trust you and feel that you are able to carry out the duties and expectations of the role in question. When you are hired, your employer is seeking something in particular. They are looking for an individual with a desire to be with the company. Having a poor attitude regarding your work and the company you work for could have a negative impact on not just yourself, but the company in general and its employees. It is a very disrespectful act, and as an employer would you want to hire an individual who admits up front they are effectively doing it just for the money with no real desire to be a team player? Probably not.”
[...] here [...]
I used to work at Cisco, and was an IT engineer at AT&T Labs as well. I hated both jobs even though I love computers and the work. The job environment is insular and dehumanizing. You’re always stuck in front of computers and hardly have any human interaction. Cisco is marginally better than AT&T, but its pretty much the same thing. IT companies are not about the people or work environments, its all about the numbers and money.
I think the Cisco manager should reevaluate why someone would hate the job instead of attacking her. And this may be a “stupid” idea, but maybe they could make the job more attractive so young people might actually be excited to go and work for them???
I think, it was an overlooked and unexpected mistake on her part to share her honest thought on the internet via an internet application as Twitter. What if she posts the same comment on Facebook? Is Facebook considered to be less public?
The moral of the story is that “Watch Out, People! Just because you can post anything you want on the internet, it does not mean that it is apt to announce to your “network” that you just went to the bathroom five minutes ago, for example.
Don’t take a job you hate, then if you’re so great that you have a choice. Sounds like she hates the idea of work, period. Too much entitlement attitude. The recession will fix that, work is part of life. Get over yourself and deal with it.
she’s an idiot. reap what you sow. doesn’t matter if the other guy’s a snitch or not. she’s stupid for putting it out there in the first place. and, to all the idiots above extolling her honesty. what’s so virtuous? she hasn’t even started working there, so how would she know if she’d hate it. she has a choice whether or not to take the job to start. if she hates it, don’t take it.
Tim Levad made a good call for Cisco Systems. This kind of unprofessional behavior but a supposedly professional woman could have been extremely embarrassingly and potentially damaging to Cisco’s professional reputation. NO company needs this type of employee. They are poison once hired.
Tim Levad made a good call for Cisco Systems. This kind of unprofessional behavior by a supposedly professional woman could have been extremely embarrassing and potentially damaging to Cisco’s professional reputation. NO company needs this type of employee. They are poison and divisive once hired.
This is typical California “entitlement” with this girl who obviously was not aware Cicso is one of the most admired companies out there and great to work for, even if you had to travel to San Jose for the position. I don’t work for Cisco. I am not even a shareholder…I just think it’s a great story about how some moron could not stay down for a career job. TWIT AWAY MORONS!
ok Jim, are you a bum? Because you sound like you don’t live in the real world. We all take jobs we hate. We all do it for the money. Everyone is a whore. You’re selling yourself to the highest bidder, by the month or by the hour. I’d take her any day over the guy that lies his ass off about how much he ‘loves’ Cisco and gives all those fake ass ‘right’ answers at the interview. Her post was reasonable and legitimate. Way to to go Cisco for getting defensive. May you be filled with employees that ‘love’ the company and spend most of the work day trolling twitter. Now shut the fuck up all you hypocritical motherfuckers.
Face it. Privacy as we knew it is dead. A person will out you as they did this young lady, for their own self aggrandizement. She honestly stated her lack of love for a commute as many of us do. She simply said it in the wrong place. Stupid no. Naive? absolutely. It may be a very expensive lesson in this economy for her to have learned. However, she (as someone has said earlier) can take her new found audience and run with it. If Cisco were SMART, they would keep her and let her blog about the wonderful transformation that took place regarding her outlook once she got the job. But, they will probably not hire her, thinking that it makes them look decisive. A loss for all concerned. The snitch employee? Just another bump on the butt of society.
the internet isn’t a place for your brain to shit.
and anyway, she was not being honest: she excluded that information (like everyone who isn’t a retard) during the interview process. Any company should be annoyed that 1) someone would be so stupid as to post this sort of thing publically, 2) someone would waste their time with the company.
There may actually, get this, be people who really want and would enjoy the job. They would clearly last longer than someone who hated the work.
If any of us were in a position to hire somebody and they saw this twitter they would obviously not hire them. I would have personally been much less polite than Cisco’s response.
The internet is clogged with too much passive agressive brain shit, and these moments are the clarity. Don’t confuse someone being able to sort out the bullshit as a bad thing because the whiny, holier-than-thou justifications got bitchslapped for a change.
This Tim Levad character sounds like a major douche.
He is probably a bitter net-nerd sitting online all day looking at other people’s lives, wishing he had one. Probably never had sex unless he paid for it! Hi is a loser!
I wonder how many people would give their eye teeth to get on with Cisco? At any rate, the web now allows any and everyone to spew self-deprecating words at an alarming rate. On the other hand, this seems to be a typical attitude these days and that is the most pathetic part of all…
Did anyone actually think how evil Tim “corporate-whore” Levad is? Why does he put his nose into someone else’s business? He sounds like a self righteous, bitter, ill-willed person.
I’m actually shocked how many people here take his side, like somehow he is justified to ruin this girl’s life. Why? The majority of people hate their jobs! We don’t live to work, rather, we work to live. Douches, like Tim Levad, are part of the problem not the solution. They help propagate the oppressive corporate culture that is ruining people’s lives and health.
Come on now, many of us would like to have a career dedicated to innovation, inventiveness and self-realization. Generally speaking, corporate America stifles the creative process. But our survival instinct leads us to a lifetime in a cubicle with free break room coffee if we’re lucky. So should a moment of honesty give rise to a world of reprimand? I say, give fatty a break.
So many ppl here who are supporting Connor don’t seem to realize that the main problem Cisco had wasn’t that she hated the job. It was that she showed such poor judgment in announcing how much she hated it to everyone over the internet. Sure, she might be smart and all that but seriously, who wants to hire someone who’s stupid enough not to realize that she might get caught?
And considering how many ppl are getting laid off, she should be grateful that she even got a job in the first place.
Apparently, ideas of entitlement don’t end at Wall St. While I don’t have a Masters from UC Berkeley, I am in search of a job after 24 years in the employ of one of Cisco’s largest clients. I am not too proud to beg for a shot at Cisco. I need a job.
All this about “she wouldn’t do as good a job if she hated it” is horsesh*t. 80% or more of Desk-job Dilberts *HATE* the job. That’s not the point. The point is, how many of them are actually quite competent & thorough in their work, despite not liking it? Most of them. Sad truth: The most sickeningly incompetent d00bs on the payroll, the ones who slide by on the least possible effort, are typically NOT the ones who get caught talking about hating their job. They’re the ones who, instead of using their energy to actually do competent work, focus it instead on ass-kissing, ass-covering, social-butterfly-ing, gossiping, and reporting their fellow (competent) droidbots to the principal’s office. All while leaving a slimy trail of dumbass mistakes for those same competents to clean up later.
Look at this smug douche:
https://www.myciscocommunity.com/people/tlevad;jsessionid=F26741738237E03BB9246867D1D9C8E8
He’s just asking for a punch in the face.
I also think that Cisco is overly arrogant for thinking everyone that works for them enjoys their job. Get real. They need the money period. If they can do the job, get your head out of your butt and hire them. The job market may be in corporate favor right now, but it won’t always be. Too much negative publicity and knowing companies stalk or violate your online privacy may leave you shorthanded down the road.
Despite the fact info may be available online, I still consider this also a violation of privacy and walking a very fine line. Obviously I don’t think you should totally identify yourself online, but at the same time Tim Levad and others are busy playing online instead of working themselves.
I have to echo the others who say that the point is not whether or not we all looooove our jobs. Rather, it’s whether a potential employee has the maturity to keep confidential information, to make well-informed judgments during high-pressure projects and to represent the company publically in a professional manner. “The Connor” showed poor marks in each instance. In a culture where one mistake can leave a lasting bad impression with the public, I would not want this woman broadcasting her job dissatisfaction so injudiciously.
As for the whole “she’s just naive, not stupid” argument, this is a girl who is obviously well-versed with the internet. She immediately cleaned up not only her site but, as another poster mentioned, the google cache is no more. So this was not some naive teenager but an expert in her chosen field. If she didn’t know –she should have. So naive? No. Stupid? Definitely.
I also don’t think TimL is a douche. He wasn’t the one that called MSNBC and asked them to publicize the story. He simply responded to her twitter in such a way as to let her know that yes, Cisco IS on the internet and her remarks are both in poor taste AND noticed. We have no idea whether Cisco rescinded the job offer or not or whether TimL even notified the hiring partner. MSNBC certainly did, as did this website. I simply don’t buy this girl as naive victim and the Cisco employee as stooge to a “stalinist” regime. Jeesh. This isn’t the janitor cleaning toilets — this is a white collar employee who shouldn’t take the job if it’s that grueling for her. There are PLENTY of others who would gladly take her place.
First of all, it’s all Cisco Fatty’s fault for being a cyber version of a loudmouth. She should have kept her thoughts to herself instead of twittering these for all to see. That was a pretty dumb move to make. No company would be willing to hire a job applicant who publicly let everyone know that he/she hated to work for it in the first place. Put yourself in the hiring manager’s place and would you hire Cisco Fatty now that you know she would be unhappy to work for your company? Of course not, because if hired, she would be perceived (rightly or wrongly) as a potential malcontent causing morale issues within the company which it does not need to have in its workforce.
Hi there,
Everything dynamic and very positively!
Thank you
Elcorin
I’m curious to know if all this publicity has helped her land a new gig if the offer at cisco was indeed rescinded.
Can we be real pls. The girl posted a tweet to update her friends, like most of us in an offhand flippant manner. She forgot or didnt think her post was publically viewed. I like my job but still most Monday mornings I groan at the prospect, probably like most of the world. For this you can lose your job! Really !!!
LULZ FAIL
Folks, this is a classic example about how people need to wake up, smell and sip the java, and think about the consequences of their actions before going through with it. THE MILLIONS OF STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!! Everyone likes [or should at least respect] an honest person, but honesty is only appreciated from the people whose character you know and trust, i.e., people that are not strangers and are vested in keeping your confidence. If you were a hiring manager looking to get the best out of your team and you had a cache of guys and gals that could get the job done, would you go with someone who offers you complaints and problems or someone who sees solutions? If your answer is, “Well, that doesn’t matter, as long as the job gets done.”, then I can see how you haven’t landed yourself a job in management, yet. Honesty doesn’t equate to negativity, especially before the candidate even shows up to the job!
I don’t agree with Edwar Virtually, though we should respect his opinion. Some of us do like our jobs and see good things happen with the solutions we bring to the table. I’m one of ‘em. Not to say that everyone’s like me, but there are enough of us that don’t mind a commute to a good job, if it’s a professionally satisfying experience. The only way you get to land a good job is to bust your butt to get one, before and after you get there. This market doesn’t give you something for free, EVER!
If I were a hiring manager that got wind of this before my new ‘team’[!] member showed up, I’d rescind the offer and give the job to someone more enthusiastic and deserving. Let’s face it, people, a distinguished and respectable job’s too important to diss before you even show up. Unless you want to be receiving some of your tax dollars back as an unemployment check.
Good luck, Fatty, you’re gonna need it.
What is being lost in this conversation is that Connor is basically a kid. A very smart and talented kid but still a kid. I’m sure many of you posters here are of the same age group as her and many are jealous of her potential. I am sure that this entire extraordinarily embarrassing episode will be nothing more than a tiny speed bump in her life. Hopefully the folks at Cisco will realize that they are not hiring a 40 year old with double the life experiences and hard lessons. I’m sure the Cisco people are smart enough to realize that she was also probably aware of the audience she was Tweeting to. IN fact, she may have even been lying, like young people do, pretending to be far above and way better than something they know is really fucking cool. Whatever the case, I’m sure she’ll be ok.
jeez…dumb move. it’s ok to laugh at her tho. for all the reason mentioned above, it’s in a company’s best interest to have engaged employees and she wouldnt have been. she’ll be happier elsewhere, they’ll find someone who is passionate about that type of work and everybody wins.
Every person on this post has F***** up before and probably done worse things. Its great how everyone throws stones before looking in the mirror. To ‘THECONNOR’: Stand tall, admit it was wrong/stupid and milk whatever publicity/interviews you can get out of this. The world will see you as a warm human being that made a mistake. Turn lemons into lemonade ! Don’t hide !
Given the recession, I would think that companies have a massive pool of candidates to choose from. And its pretty clear that she isn’t too excited about the job; so why wouldn’t they rescind the offer?
I think its all false pretense to say “I hate my job!”. What we really hate is the monotonous nature of it. Back in school, the monotonousness lasted a semester (maybe another if you flunked!) which kept things fresh and exciting. Even though companies on paper encourage movement between different teams; they wouldn’t want that to happen on a massive scale leading to mental fatigue among employees resulting in people crying out “I hate my job!”.
So many of you support her and call Tim L a douche…nothing but the failings of the entitled generation, who never learned how hard Life actually is, because Mummy & Daddy always told ‘their precious’ how good they are and how well they’re doing.
This girl comes from privilege, apparently is intelligent, but still reeks of the same, smug entitled ‘tude as many of you.
Hold on for a sec while I get my cluestick…lean a bit closer, will’ya?…Life’s a Bitch and She will find a way to throw all of you down at one time or another, be it through infirmity, tragedy, whatever. You will only get a few choice shots like ‘theConnor’ got, so don’t do a major fail and flub the layup.
Sure, someone will hire her, but her sense of entitlement is poisonous in a corporate culture, except for Wall Street. She’ll become just another empty greedhead.
Many of you puppies are so very young and inexperienced; you don’t know that you don’t know, or what and why. It takes way more than grades to pass the Test…
I’d say the worlds problems are all due to the fact that people hate the work they do and hence do a crappy job.
I would love to work at cisco or for that matter any other company. However San Jose commute is a nightmare of course unless you are right next door. I really like to see if there is a way to find people who like their jobs. I am a unix nut, and I would rather not do anythign else. I actually was this way 15 years ago when I took up my second job. My first job involved a long separation from home and was too sad to think. I really want the world to be run by people who like what they do.
A lactose intolerant man should not be testing milk for expiration date. A bean counter should not be designing motorcycles and a blind man should not be making movies. I am sorry that is just the way it has been done so far and that is why its such a mess.
Cool.
Srinath.
I dont see the difference between ppl sitting behind a damn monitor damning her for her tweet (incl. the Cisco who rat’d her out) and a troll sitting in some forum thread somewhere throwing flames and rants out to the world, largely because of their own lame reality. Way too much is being made about things such as this – from all appearances this is a person with a strong future ahead of her and the academic credentials to prove it. So what? When the 15 minutes of fame die out – she’ll probably end up in a career that is much better than 99% of her critics out there. Reality is a much better barometer of success than online rants and rats.
Whoa, this is the exact reason I have resisted social media sites like Twitter, Facebook, etc. One dumb move and you’re toast. I cause myself enough trouble verbally!
Sorry kiddies, but you want to work in Corporate America and make the big bucks, it’s pretty much given that you don’t publically diss your employer before you even walk in for your first day at work.
Yes, it’s a painful way for this woman to learn a lesson, but I don’t find myself having wads of sympathy for her. She’s applying for a position with one of the largest software companies on the west coast, and doesn’t have the brains to think that they might be on Twitter? Sounds to me like Cisco dodged a bullet there.
As for those who complain that corporate hacks look at places like Facebook and Twitter, deal with it folks! You can’t go out and publicize your drunken escapades and think that it won’t come back to bite you in the butt one day.
Lots of people dislike their jobs. The difference between them and this woman is that they have the good sense to realize that they need a paycheck, so they don’t go screaming from the rooftops that their employer sucks. I also find myself wondering why she even was remotely considering the job if she already knew she’d hate the commute and the work. Doesn’t speak at all to her ability to make a good judgement or use logic.
Perhaps this will serve as a reminder of the golden rule of the internet – if you don’t want your grandmama to be reading/seeing your pictures or posts, don’t put them out there!
Read her side before you judge….
http://www.theconnor.net/?p=12
Hmmm…. Tim Levad… face looks like real douchebag which me flushem down toilet.
This is the best Cisco has?
The internet is doomed.
The comment by the moron above (I smell a shill) and others with condescension shows why the Internet is dangerous for the stupid. No guns for the monkey. This was a media-fueled frenzy that people (like the morons above) ate up. Tsk tsk tsk-ing all the people without “Internet sense.” If you dig around, you’ll find out that the Tweeter-in-question turned the job down and wasn’t looking for a gig in the first place.
I love how a bunch of commenters here are quick to judge and fill in details that are pure fabrications (either positive or negative) based on weak or no inference.
People are bound to say and do things in their lives that are, oh, I don’t know, human. Maybe we as a society just need to get over this massive concern about the “appropriateness” of the thoughts and actions of others. Just chillax.
Personally I think that she should be commended for her honesty, if your not going to like the work, then the position or career is not the right choice. Thank God for other companies in High Tech with better work ethics, who hire people who have more integrity then to pick on a new college graduate and destroy her chance to find suitable employemnt with another potential employer where she may actually like what she does.
Jose
This woman’s name is allegedly “Connor Riley”. The main character in the whole Terminator series is John Connor, and his girlfriend was named Riley (before she got shot by a beautiful Aussie woman from the future, in an attempt to make John Connor believe she had actually been killed by a beautiful female cyborg from the future). Do none of you find this a bit too much of a coincidence? Am I the only “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” fan out there?
Mike
We Are Teh Internet. All your Privacy Are Belong to Us.
[...] Either way, the offender has become known as “Cisco Fatty” all over the Internet. Ciscofatty.com was created and so was a YouTube [...]
[...] tweets went viral, even after Riley set her account to private. Her pictures and personal info have been revealed. Her job offer, I’m sure, was [...]
Another data point for my view that social lying is a necessary condition of civilized life. We fail our children when we allow them to reach adulthood without understanding that.
I see a lot of post defending her right to Tweet her opinion, and I agree that we all have the right to do that (well, at least here). But to bag on Cisco, I don’t get it.
If you were interviewing a person for a job and they said “This really isn’t what I want to be doing, but I will because I need a job.” would you hire them? Or, would you wait until you found someone who said “I’ll do this by best in this position. What are the opportunities for advancement?”
Fine, she would hate the work. There are a lot of jobs out there like that. But how many have as much opportunity for advancement or lateral moves to a position that may be interesting to you?
Oh, that’s right, you think 5 or 10 years behind a computer monitor and thousands of hours of television make you an ideal candidate for VP of Operations.
You just don’t get to complain about a job you don’t have. If you don’t want it don’t take it.
For all those who say ’she was just being honest’, do you think she was this honest during her interviews? Do you think she would walk in and sit down with the hiring manager and say “I’m going to hate this job.”?
Terrible judgment to shout this out to the world.
The real tragedy is that this fantastic object lesson for people new to the job market has turned in to a personal tragedy by people posting her identity. She may have exposed herself with a thoughtless action, and this would be a great discussion about what constitutes inappropriate behaviour, but the level of exposure has been quite unfair.
In response to Jaggers comment, what they are doing to this girl in my opinion borderlines on Slander. I do have to agree with Jagger , that a company should not hire a candidate unless they really want the position, what gets me is this Cisco manager seems to think that if you do not want a job at Cisco that you are a loser or failure which is not the case. I know several fantastic former Cisco employees that were laid off (Cisco has laid off over 20,000 employees these past few years, most are probably Sr. Level and at the top of their pay scales), one of them even founded the Cisco Users Group at Cisco in San Jose, and was told that he was in the bottom 10 percent in his group during a high tech slump, even though this individual was spending many volunteer hours, and weekends helping Cisco customers and potential future customers work on obtaining their Cisco CCIE.
Seems to me that in some departments the culture at Cisco has become a culture of arrogance, where you should thank God that Cisco even interviewed you.
When Cisco’s stock was at 140.00 dollars a share and splitting every year, this may have been a carrot that they could use, but with long hours, stock options under water, no pension, other then a 401K, new college graduates are looking for positions with companies that have more stability.
Jose
Actually, I never spoke about Cisco as a company, or their particular practices. Just about the ‘practice’ of hiring people in general.
I am certain that Cisco has some departments that are great to working, and some that are just so-so. I am also sure, that like any company, there are some jobs that are more interesting than others.
As for the hiring manager, we have no idea at all what s/he thinks. To the best of my knowledge s/he has not spoken up, so we are left to speculate as to how or why the decision was made to rescind the offer.
What we do know is that a whole bunch of random people have spoken up with their opinions (myself included).
As for Cisco’s employment practices, I too know a number of Cisco employees, and some of the best are ‘threatened’ right now. I don’t mean that their managers are threatening them, but they are at the top of their game, and at the top of the pay scale. Being at the top of your pay scale in a recession is not usually a good thing.
As a female business founder and CEO, I find the comments in this thread to be very interesting. I started my company with $6,000. For the first four years, I worked with no pay. I love my company and what we produce and our customers.
So I want employees who like the same things. If they don’t, it is painfully obvious to the rest of us. They don’t care and they aren’t motivated and everyone knows it.
We try to screen them out during interviews, but if we hire them accidentally and they don’t fit our company, they move on. In several cases they don’t give us the courtesy of two weeks notice. Several of them recently have walked off the job then tried to get their old job back a few months later. They still don’t care about the company or their coworkers, so we cannot take them back. And in a recession, we simply don’t have a place for them.
Bottom line, some people are just not the right fit. If they aren’t enthusiastic about the job up front, it usually won’t get better. They poison everyone else. A happy productive corporate culture is a precious thing. There’s nothing like the synergy of working with people that you’d love to spend the rest of your life with. Once you have a good staff, you don’t want anyone to mess it up. Having just one person who “hates the work” is too many.
For the cynics, please be assured that good companies and good managers exist. They aren’t perfect and neither are you. But they are looking for people who add a spirit of cheerfulness, dedication, talent, and commitment. (By the way, my company outperforms many competing companies that have brighter, better educated people because my people have love and commitment to the vision and to one another. Mere brains are overrated. They are no match for hard work, talent, dedication, and enthusiasm.)
One idea: Find a good mentor and prove yourself to be worth teaching. It is better to work for a great boss doing a lower-level job than a lousy boss doing a high-level one.
Seriously, how is this anyone’s business but this chick’s and Cisco’s. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life? Sad.
What if somebody is out to ruin somebody else’s career? What is to prevent them from misusing a colleague’s name to frame them online?
Is this gal hot looking? If so, she can sit on my face.
People make mistakes… she may have lost one job opportunity… but it will pass.
While on the other hand, I am sure that Tim Levad will live the rest of his miserable life being a rat ass annoying piece of shit that no one can stand, the misery he spreads will continue to follow him until the day he dies.
As for the Cisco fatty, she obviously has plenty of skill, yet does not want to waist her life applying it to boring and redundant work just to get by. She wants to use her skill to accomplish something great and make a difference. And I believe that one day she will, unlike the rest of you pathetic sheep who continue on day by day, lying to yourself so you don’t have to face the fact that you will never accomplish anything worthwhile.
Did you just set this site up to get traffic for this single story and try to get people to click on your ads?
reply by admin: site was setup to get the word out, as clearly it was a hot topic. Bandwidth and domain names cost money, so relevant ads are provided by a reliable partner, Google.
CiscoFatty.com was a social media experiment, the results of which have yet to be determined.
Wow I agree 150% with Pat and her comments toward Tim Levad! Well done pat!
What happened to the days of the internet when someone like Tim Levad would be flamed into oblivion.
STOP BEING a snitch!
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Why did they apply to Cisco, go through the interview process, and accept a job they were not going to like. I think it is better for Cisco to find this out before this person became a cancer inside the company with their bad attitude.
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As if nobody here has ever been offered a high paying job they didn’t want, or really need, when they were young and just starting out. Rest assured that Connor will appreciate the fact that a fatty paycheck is a very big deal later on in life. Right now she can pick and choose, such is youth.
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Lesson – Honesty is not a luxury you can afford. Personally, I would not hire her for sheer stupidity. Lesson well learned!
I love it! I love it! I loooooooooooooooove it!
Honesty is not just about being true to your emotions but also being true to your choices. Apparently, she wasn’t being in honest in wanting the job. So I don’t get the replies here that praises her “honesty.”
If there’s anything honest in what she did, it was being honestly stupid. Good job Cisco!
OMG – Tweeter is so f’n lame.
Edwar Virtually, Moocow, et al:
People who malign Cisco for dumping CF are themselves part of the problem. Think of it like this: Would you hire someone who demonstrates the intelligence of an imbecile and the common sense of an infant?
I wouldn’t, but I take it you would. There are already far too many idiots in the workforce, and I think I see the reason why.
Or, think of it like this: Imagine that NOT posting something stupid on Twitter is the world’s easiest intelligence test, and CF failed it. How could her comment possibly have NOT infuriated her new employer?
I have no idea how cisco is one of the best place to work. 1/3 of employees at cisco work their butts off and gets no recognition. 1/3 of employes kisses superior’s rear and call endless meeting so they can talk about empty words like “collaboration, synergy”. 1/3 are managers which have own agendas and will put anyone under bus for their own career.
it’s difficult to work in an environment where none expert leads technical engineers on decision making process. Sat through countless meeting where no true world experience MBA with big word just spinning wheels.
Glad that i am in better place.
awww..that’s a shame!
CF was given the opportunity to interview for a job. I suspect that, during the interview, she gave the impression that she was excited to work for Cisco. Clearly, she was misleading the interviewer. For that reason alone, I would question her integrity.
However, my concern goes deeper. Assuming she had not said what she did and went to work for Cisco. Most likely, she would be looking for an escape from day one. At the first opportunity, she would hit the road to a “better” job. Any money Cisco would have spent in training her (and, despite her CV, shewould have required some training) would have been lost. The company would have to hire a new candidate and begin the training process again.
It is possible (and likely) that there was more than one qualified candidate for the job. CF may have had the fanciest resume or the best interview skills. Some of the other candidates may be more enthusiastic about the job. The company may be better-served with one of them.
As for Tim Levad calling her out. I like his move. It let her know that the Internet is forever. She learned that free speech is great but the right also carries some consequences. On her blog, she tried to laugh it off as no big deal when it clearly was a big deal. Too often, I have seen people of her generation post things like this. When called on them, their defense is that they were joking. I think that is the standard defense. By claiming “joking” status, it absolves them from being stupid.
If I am hiring someone to work for me, I don’t want someone who’s too stupid to realize that commenting on twitter is the same as writing on a billboard.
One can tell by all the “corporate whore” and “everyone hates their job” comments here that America has become a country of selfish, whiny, entitlement-minded children. Considering the economic climate, this silly little bitch should have been thrilled to land a job at all.
Now I understand how a stuttering socialist con-man like Obama could get elected President.
people work for many reasons and end up doing things people dont want to do but people need money. who really knows why she said that? you cant judge someone you dont know like that lol
Yeah, honesty is to be discouraged at all costs.
The Corporate Group Think Groupies must have their
way.
It’s exactly this kind of churlish “we understand the web here at Cisco” arrogant potty training trauma snotty asshattery that has gotten the USA in it’s current spot.
You’ve got to sugar coat everything for the EGOS (suits) with the 6 and 7 figure salaries or they get all indignant.
The truth has a reality bias that is handled by these corporate pukes by snuffing it out. “We will steal, lie and cheat so we can maintain our false sense of superiority over others”.
I for one will never hire Tim Levad because he is a snitch, and like others of his ilk, cannot be trusted.
Nice going ace.
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